Conservative Friend

Dear Friends,

  About three plus years ago I went to Barnesville, Ohio, to The Scattered Gathering of Conservative Friends.

Although I had had some exposure to Quakers previously. I actually found some Christian Friends in Fruita, Colorado, back in 1978.

But Barnesville was what I had always searched for spiritually. I was blown away that there was a Christian Quaker Community probably going back to the 17th or 18th centuries that had actually stayed alive all of these years!

Terry Wallace and the George Fox Fund made it possible for me to attend the Gathering there in Barnesville that Summer.

Terry Wallace and I are still Friends.

I suppose that I should explain the moniker 'Messianic Quaker'.

A Jewish person first explained the Good News to me in a way where I could understand it, many, many years ago.

I believe deeply that we in turn owe the Jewish people a great deal since it was they who first understood Messiah (Christ), and acted upon His Promises and His life.

I also find it quite fascinating that the revival of belief amongst Jewish folks has reached the level that it has.

In Israel alone, there are over 15,000 Messianic Jewish Believers!

It's almost like the Book of Acts again!  

I also believe that the Greek New Testament was pre-dated by the Aramaic (Syriac really, a dialect of Aramaic) New Testament.

This is not popular among Greek NT Scholars, but it solves many of the hard to understand passages in our New Testaments.

I'm 58 and single by divorce that I did NOT want. And I have four grown daughters.

That's about it.

Glad to have you here.

Mostly the conventional wisdom is that only Matthew was possibly originally non-Greek. But nobody today was around then, so who can say for sure? 

Messianic Quaker at 04:12PM on Feb 06, 2010

Dear Friends,

  About three plus years ago I went to Barnesville, Ohio, to The Scattered Gathering of Conservative Friends.

Although I had had some exposure to Quakers previously. I actually found some Christian Friends in Fruita, Colorado, back in 1978.

But Barnesville was what I had always searched for spiritually. I was blown away that there was a Christian Quaker Community probably going back to the 17th or 18th centuries that had actually stayed alive all of these years!

Terry Wallace and the George Fox Fund made it possible for me to attend the Gathering there in Barnesville that Summer.

Terry Wallace and I are still Friends.

I suppose that I should explain the moniker 'Messianic Quaker'.

A Jewish person first explained the Good News to me in a way where I could understand it, many, many years ago.

I believe deeply that we in turn owe the Jewish people a great deal since it was they who first understood Messiah (Christ), and acted upon His Promises and His life.

I also find it quite fascinating that the revival of belief amongst Jewish folks has reached the level that it has.

In Israel alone, there are over 15,000 Messianic Jewish Believers!

It's almost like the Book of Acts again!  

I also believe that the Greek New Testament was pre-dated by the Aramaic (Syriac really, a dialect of Aramaic) New Testament.

This is not popular among Greek NT Scholars, but it solves many of the hard to understand passages in our New Testaments.

I'm 58 and single by divorce that I did NOT want. And I have four grown daughters.

That's about it.

Hello Messianic Quaker,

I would like to welcome you to the CF blog.  And even though I don't know the linguistics of the Aramaic I have read some commentary 

siting concrete examples from the direct disciples of the Apostles, written about 100 ad to 120 ad, stating that at around 60 ad and maybe even as early as 45 to 50 ad that there were aramaic and hebraic precursor documents of the gospel we call the book of Matthew that had been in existence.  And even though I don't still have the material to review, if my memory serves me right, these same early Christian writers state that there were other documents that were also written in Aramaic before being written or copied in Greek.  And of course there is the ever emminent attestation to what you are saying in that great Greek work "The Septuagint" that was the primary old testament used for hundreds of years, including during Jesus day, that was quite obviously merely a copy of the earlier Hebraic, Persian, Samaritan, etc... versions of the Old testament and the Pentateuch which were found among the "Dead Sea Scrolls".

Friend, Tim   

The original texts were written by various authors sometime after c. A.D. 45, most likely in Koine Greek (according to Greek primacy), the lingua franca of the eastern part of the Roman Empire. Rylands Library Papyrus P52is generally accepted as the earliest extant record of a canonical NewTestament text, which dates somewhere between 117 A.D. and 138 A.D.[2][3]

Ed C. H. Roberts, An Unpublished Fragment of the Fourth Gospel in the John Rylands Library, Manchester University Press, 1935.

H. Idris Bell, T.C.Skeat, Fragments of an Unknown Gospel and other early Christian papyri (1935).

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